Bailiff tried to gain entry

[westcunttree]

Good afternoon, I just had a Mark Gilmour from Rossendales knock on my door asking for someone that doesnt live here.

Is he allowed to attempt to open the door by trying the outside handle?

Thanks

[westcunttree]

Good afternoon, I just had a Mark Gilmour from Rossendales knock on my door asking for someone that doesnt live here.

Is he allowed to attempt to open the door by trying the outside handle?

Thanks

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkS7n2 ... sp=sharing

[zeke]

They can enter by an unlocked door. They can still enter a locked door if the key is in the lock, they can open the door by turning the key. They cannot enter a locked door. even if they find a key under the mat or the landlord has given them a key. That roughly translates to a locksmith making a key which means bailiffs cannot enter with the help of a lock-picker.

All the above is true provided has a warrant, which is the authority to enter the property. That is not the case with a council tax liability order because that is the authority to take control of goods, not authorised to enter premises.

He can turn the handle, but the if the door is locked, he cannot enter.

Mark Gilmour has two certificate bonds, one with Marston and another with Rosendales. https://certificatedbailiffs.justice.go ... ch=gilmour

The video showed him accusing you of being evasive, but the bailiff was confrontational by trying the door handle. I don't think he will be back. He has not done anything illegal.

[patto]

Where in schedule 12 does it give a private enforcement agent without any order from a court or tribunal, the power to enter through an unlocked door.

[John The Baptist]

Where in schedule 12 does it give a private enforcement agent without any order from a court or tribunal, the power to enter through an unlocked door.

Patterson - You are an idiot. Please go away with your misconceptions.

Yet again, you are relying on case law from pre-2014.

[John The Baptist]

For the moronic Patterson, I've told you this before but it clearly hasn't registered. I will try one last time to explain to you:

Section 62 of the TCEA 2007:

Schedule 12 applies where an enactment, writ or warrant confers power to use the procedure in that Schedule (taking control of goods and selling them to recover a sum of money).

The operative word in the above is ENACTMENT. A bailiff may use the Schedule 12 procedure because the Local Government Finance Act 1992. Here is what is stated in the Act:

Where a liability order has been made against a person under regulations under Schedule 4, the billing authority concerned may use the procedure in Schedule 12 to the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 (taking control of goods) to recover the amount in respect of which the order was made, to the extent that it remains unpaid.”

So.... Hopefully, even an air head like Patterson can accept that a bailiff acting under a LO can use the Schedule 12 procedure.

As for right of entry, Schedule 12 states:

An enforcement agent may enter relevant premises to search for and take control of goods.

That's your right of entry Patterson and there is no right to remove a bailiff if he hasn't levied. (You might wish to consider the fact that "levy" is now an obsolete word)

I'm sick and tired of correcting your drivel on your YT channel. Your information is misleading and dangerous. The fact that you sell misleading information for profit makes you a real danger and scumbag to boot.

[patto]

Tell me John The Baptist, who is the idiot on here still paying his council tax. Many people have not paid CT for years, as they all know the private enforcement agents have no power from a court, the only power they have is what what we give them.

[patto]

John The baptist, my books do not give advice to people on how to stop paying CT. The books are an account of how I am withholding my CT and deaing with the council, courts and agents.

[patto]

An enforcement agent may enter "relevant premises" to search for and take control of goods. RELEVANT PREMISES being commercial.

[patto]

Remember The Council Tax Regulations 1992 are not a statute; have not been approved by the houses [commons & lords] and have not had nor passed – Royal assent [approval] these ‘regulations’ are a clear breach of human rights, international law and our constitution. Hence why 95% of all Judicial reviews done on committals for council tax are successful and deemed unlawful.

[John The Baptist]

Tell me John The Baptist, who is the idiot on here still paying his council tax. Many people have not paid CT for years, as they all know the private enforcement agents have no power from a court, the only power they have is what what we give them.

You misunderstand this site. It is not a site to help people avoid paying legitimately owed debts. Council tax goes towards paying many things such as schooling, adult care etc, etc. It also covers things like marathons that you take advantage of. This site helps people who are genuinely experiencing bailiff wrongdoing, NOT grubby parasites like you.

Enforcement agents enforcing council tax have the same powers as any other bailiff. Yes, they need your permission to enter but once inside, you cannot physically throw them out.

You think you are clever. You are not. I don't believe that anyone gets away with not paying council tax. If you own your home, they will either obtain a charging order on it or alternatively, they will bankrupt you. If you don't own your own home, you will be committed to prison. You can then shout from the rooftops inside of Dartmoor just how corrupt the system is and how you have been illegally jailed. Will you then put that in your books?

[John The Baptist]

An enforcement agent may enter "relevant premises" to search for and take control of goods. RELEVANT PREMISES being commercial.

Otherwise premises are relevant if the enforcement agent reasonably believes that they are the place, or one of the places, where the debtor—

(a)usually lives, or

(b)carries on a trade or business.

Patterson - Not only are you a parasite but you really are an ignoramus as well. We already have one ignoramus that we use for entertainment so you are not needed around here. Go back to YT and tell everybody how nasty the big bad bailiffs are.

[John The Baptist]

John The baptist, my books do not give advice to people on how to stop paying CT. The books are an account of how I am withholding my CT and deaing with the council, courts and agents.

You have an appalling understanding of legislation. Almost everything you state is incorrect.

People reading your books are not made aware that what you are saying is wrong, or that not paying council tax will eventually end up with them in serious financial trouble or jailed. Until you make this clear, you are just a scumbag who is profiting by exposing others to serious risks.

[John The Baptist]

Remember The Council Tax Regulations 1992 are not a statute; have not been approved by the houses [commons & lords] and have not had nor passed – Royal assent [approval] these ‘regulations’ are a clear breach of human rights, international law and our constitution. Hence why 95% of all Judicial reviews done on committals for council tax are successful and deemed unlawful.

Paragraph 1(1) Schedule 4 Local Government Finance Act 1992:

The Secretary of State may make regulations in relation to the recovery of any sum which has become payable to a billing authority

Do you seriously think the whole thing is corrupt? If the Government and authorities were corrupt, don't you think that they'd implement legislation that allowed them to carry on with their corrupt activities - That way, they would not expose themselves to the risk of the Paul fcukin Pattersons of this world catching them out with their legal expertise.

[patto]

John The Baptist, So you think you are helping your clients simply by setting up installment plans for them with the agents, and you charge for this?

[John The Baptist]

Each case is case specific. However firstly, it is important to remind you that I do not charge for my advice, I give it for free.

In almost all cases, I will tell a person how it is possible to avoid bailiff fees but I also point out the risks involved in doing so. To car owners, I rarely encourage avoiding the fees because it is not worth the risk. Normally, when people first enquire, they have only incurred £75 fee and it isn't worth risking a car for the sake of £75.

If a person has incurred fees lawfully, I tell them that there is nothing that I can do for them. If the fees have been incurred unlawfully, I will try to help them.

You hoodwink debt avoiders, I help genuine people who are victims of wrongdoing.

[Syd Snitkin]

An enforcement agent may enter "relevant premises" to search for and take control of goods. RELEVANT PREMISES being commercial.

Can you expand on why residential premises are not considered relevant premises?

....and you charge for this?

JTB doesn't charge anyone.

[patto]

John The Baptist, I have already caught the councils & agents out with their unlawful actions, you've not been keeping up with the events of last 7 days, and who the hell is going to take much notice of someone using the names of 'Legal Bland' and 'John The fcukin Baptist.'

[John The Baptist]

John The Baptist, I have already caught the councils & agents out with their unlawful actions,

No you haven't. You've got the brains of a chaffinch. You couldn't catch a cold, let alone catch anyone out. You are reading what you want to believe rather than what is actually written. This is fine but when you start claiming to be an expert, convincing others that you are right, it is out of order.

you've not been keeping up with the events of last 7 days,

Please tell us - I could do with a laugh.

and who the hell is going to take much notice of someone using the names of 'Legal Bland' and 'John The fcukin Baptist.'

I would imagine that far more people would than would take notice of a crazy old hermit like you.

[zeke]

John The Baptist, So you think you are helping your clients simply by setting up installment plans for them with the agents, and you charge for this?

We don't advocate setting up repayment plans with bailiffs let alone charge for it. Other websites may offer those serrvices, but never here.

I am a founding member of this board and it was set up because formal advice was not working and informal forum advice doled out was exposing innocent people to losing money. One individual even went as far as masquerading as an adviser for Citizens Advice when it was discovered she was merely a customer seeking advice.

[westcunttree]

There is absolutely no need to insult people FFS, Have you two thought about getting a room!

[John The Baptist]

There is absolutely no need to insult people FFS, Have you two thought about getting a room!

And you think your username isn't insulting?

Of course there is need to insult scumbags who profit from endangering others. Just like you endanger others with your silly beliefs that people should be allowed to stay in their homes, even if they don't pay their mortgages.

[westcunttree]

STFU I dont even have a mortgage, seriously sort it out

[John The Baptist]

STFU I dont even have a mortgage, seriously sort it out

You seem to be obsessed with people being allowed to stay in their homes despite them not paying for them. You are just a trouble maker, like Pattterson. The 2 Newlyn bailiffs you started a thread about have done nothing wrong yet you want to start a witch hunt.

You don't care what is right or wrong - You just want to antagonise bailiffs. That's not what this forum is about so why don't you do one? Or better still, stick your head inside a gas oven.

[Syd Snitkin]

An enforcement agent may enter "relevant premises" to search for and take control of goods. RELEVANT PREMISES being commercial.

Can you expand on why residential premises are not considered relevant premises?

Thought I'd ask again.

[delta157]

Why even bother allowing cr4p like this being posted it's counterproductive!

Why is this poster even asking for advice?

Stick them back on YouTube!